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Forums -> Site related -> Archive: Cheaters -> Leaderboard cheater [proof insufficient or incorrect]
Topic: Leaderboard cheater [proof insufficient or incorrect]
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Name: SiNiSTAR
Profile: http://www.metagamerscore.com/profile/964
Game: http://www.metagamerscore.com/game/4007?user=964
Reason: No leaderboards on new levels, Exp or Winter's End
Exp leaderboards: 1 2
Winter leaderboards: 1 2

Already banned Astats
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'Mexy' says

Name: SiNiSTAR
Profile: http://www.metagamerscore.com/profile/964
Game: http://www.metagamerscore.com/game/4007?user=964
Reason: No leaderboards on new levels, Exp or Winter's End
Exp leaderboards: 1 2
Winter leaderboards: 1 2

Already banned Astats




what do you mean by leader board cheater?
how does this work?

I've played quite a few times with Sinistar and whenever I played with him he tried to get achievements legit. So I'm quite surprised to see his name here.
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I would guess that it is the fact that if you earn the achievement, your steamid will be posted on a leaderboard. If you used SAM to get the achievement, you will not have a post on the leaderboard.
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I have sent a mail to see if SiNiSTAR wants to refute this. If I do not hear anything before 2015-08-09, I will remove the steamaccount.
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'primal_r' says

I have sent a mail to see if SiNiSTAR wants to refute this. If I do not hear anything before 2015-08-09, I will remove the steamaccount.




i spoke to him also in private chat
he says it's the result of playing offline.

i did play with him a couple of times hunting very hard achievements... so he doesn't tend to take the "easy" way...

apparently he got banned from astats over 2 achievements? but astats is far from perfect.. they've banned legit players more than once before...

thats why its good that you handle it the way you do primal_r
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So, this guy just joined today (Joined: 2015-07-31) only to report me (only one post, Posted 2015-07-31 19:30) here too?
He's obviously the same one that reported me on astats, even the post looks the same.

I really don't get all this hostility and what happened on astats was hilarious, but what really saddens me is that after 7 whole years of achievement hunting and almost 12000 achievements I get treated like a nobody.

While I may have a lot of achievements most of them if not all are pretty easy ones to get. And so are most of my 100% games.

After what happened there I pretty much lost my interest in gaming and achievements, I must thank the astats mods for this.
Getting treated like that was probably one of the worst experiences I had so far on steam.

I've been talking with them for like 6 hours straight and they did nothing to help me.
Instead they kept accusing me, trying to make me feel/look bad and they didn't listen to me at all.
It's clear now that they do indeed care about their site but they are also covering for friends and mods, it's just you against them all so unless you are a good friend of them good luck with that.

What did I do wrong? I played in offline mode from another computer. That's it.

Well it seems like that's more than enough to get you banned, it doesn't matter if it's just 2 achievements out of 12000 (this still makes me smile) it doesn't matter if you've been hunting for 7 years with friends and you made tons of threads about it in the steam forums always searching for someone to help you out and reach a goal.
It doesn't matter, you are just bad.

I'm proud of what I accomplished so far and being accused/banned pretty much killed the achievement hunter side of me.

I can't really take astats seriously after this, and hearing that other legit players got banned as well doesn't help to clean up their reputation.
I didn't even ask for that so-called "second chance" they talk about, I don't care about being part of such an awful community.

I can go on and on typing here but I just don't have the strength to do so anymore, I feel so sick and tired of the whole thing.

Long story short. I didn't cheat. I often play in offline mode when I'm not home.
After being an achievement hunter for 7 years it should be pretty obvious that something wrong happened, 2 achievements out of 12000 is like 0,0001% it doesn't take a science to see that something is wrong.
Of course someone doesn't want me in the leaderboards, I can see that from a mile.

And thanks Jossy for letting me know, I really appreciate that someone still cares about friends.
About the email I didn't get anything I'm sorry, I probably need to check my profile one day.
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Why not post in game stats if you played offline? So easy to fix, but rather get banned than prove innocence. Have you finished these levels six times but never online one time?
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Can one post stats when the achievements were earned on another computer?

I don't think the proof is strong enough for a ban in this case. Sure, it might feel a bit iffy - but it's not conclusive. There is ample chance for what SiNiSTAR is claiming to be true.

If the achievement could only be earned online it would be a different story ( but still there, in theory the leaderboard server could be down ).

In general, cheaters very rarely refute the claims - so that speaks in SiNiSTAR's favor also.


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'Mexy' says

So easy to fix, but rather get banned than prove innocence.



Maybe it's because I can't?
Of course you know that and you are trying all your best to get me banned for some sick reason.

I have 12k achievements and people went crazy over just 2, because they couldn't find anything else to attack me with since I've always been legit.

This is just ridiculous and it's going out of control.
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So, you play offline mode. Then why you don't get all achievements at same time?
One achievement at one time, then another 38 minutes later, neither on leaderboards.
Again with other achievement, 42 minutes later.
One more time, interval of 23 minutes.
You play offline mode every 20-40 minutes? Over 3 different days?

Why can't you prove with in game stats? Your score is saved when you select the level.

Not 2 achievements. Ten achievements. Out of 67 gained in one game. That's 14.9%.

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Did you ever heard of tethering? Go check that on your android phone if you have one.

Also it seems like you can't even read properly, I just checked and most of them are at the same time.
Exactly when I switched from offline to online using my phone to make sure they were showing.

I only have 1gb bandwith a month on my phone and I tend not to waste it that's all.
I did this while being on vacation for one week without access to the internet. All my other games are perfectly fine, go check.

Are you done judging me?
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'SiNiSTAR' says

Also it seems like you can't even read properly




lol

Toner Stained Hands
Earned: 2015-07-14 13:44
Crimson Snow
Earned: 2015-07-14 14:22

offline to online 38 minutes? Same day you get a lot of achievements with interval of 10 minutes, so now you change from playing offline to playing offline so many times in a day when you're on vacation? You get more than 20 achievements just that day, must be a lot of bandwidth you use

Subscription Complete
Earned: 2015-07-16 01:51
Better Dead than Read
Earned: 2015-07-16 01:09

42 minutes

Child of Shaolin
Earned: 2015-07-17 15:44
Exceedingly Well Read
Earned: 2015-07-17 16:07

23 minutes

Oh, if you play offline on 2015-07-17, how you get this with interval of 7 seconds? You log on and off every 7 seconds now?

Child of Shaolin 2.04 07/17/2015 15:44:34
Ninja 1.86 07/17/2015 15:44:27


Why you still can't post screenshot in game?


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Ok somehow I got lucky enough to get my save file back and I made two screenshots:

http://imgur.com/NssT7oe

http://imgur.com/ceDbkTG

And the other achievements you are talking about are for beginners mode while the shaolin and ninja ones are combo related, it takes literally nothing to complete them expecially in the new levels with tons of enemies.
(winter's end has 15 enemies or even more at the end of the level, you only need to reload a checkpoint and keep trying)

I made sure to leave my steam profile in the background, I can also stream it directly from steam if this is still not enough.

The proof is here now, this should pretty much end all this.
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Yes, put it to rest: . Why are you asking devs to delete your scores and replays from leaderboards now?
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When I launched the game the replays were showing wrong so I sent an email asking for stats reset, I did this because I wanted to start it all over again and not being accused again in the future.

This is getting beyond creepy, the amount of effort people are putting into this to get rid of me is unbelievable.
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Yes, so many coincidences happen to you I guess. Go vacation for one week, say no internet, get achievements different timestamps, even seconds of difference.
Don't appear on leaderboards because you play this game in offline mode.
Somehow get back your save the same day you ask devs to delete you from leaderboards, that you suddenly appear on.

Ah well.
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'Mexy' says

Yes, so many coincidences happen to you I guess. Go vacation for one week, say no internet, get achievements different timestamps, even seconds of difference.
Don't appear on leaderboards because you play this game in offline mode.
Somehow get back your save the same day you ask devs to delete you from leaderboards, that you suddenly appear on.

Ah well.





look, players don't have to proof that they aren't cheating. You have to come with evidence. People are innocent UNTIL proven guilty. Your case against SiNiStaR is just not strong enough.

For example... I took a quick look at your profile and checked out 3 random games only. Randomly.

http://metagamerscore.com/game/1575?user=5460

Then I found this. It left me question marks.
How does a person level up at the same date & time to level 5 and 10 on an online multiplayer game that is KNOWN to take AGES to level up to level 1...

Then the next day you reached level 15.. .but took you 3 months to reach level 20.....

You don't have to play it all over again just to proof to me that you aren't cheating. I'm just trying to show you that it's very easy to find "fault" in anyone. I'm sure that if I looked at more than 3 games I could compile a whole list of questions (interrogations) to you. It's much harder to just be amazed and be full of respect for someone with a lot of achievements, isn't it?

And no, you don't have to defend yourself to my "question" regarding your achievements... I know there are multiple plausible explanations for this to occur - Just it's not so fun when the rabbit has the gun, right?

When accusing and damaging someone's reputation, you have to come with solid evidence. It's not there, bro. Tough luck. But thanks for trying to keep the community clean :)
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As I said before replays didn't work and I wanted everything to be fine to avoid stalkers/creeps like you in the future.

I really need to ask you, did you joined this site just to go after me?
Like, do I know you or something?
You are clearly pissed off for something because normal persons don't act like this.
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Super MNC has average 100% of 12 hours. I have 30. People finish it in 2 days, lol.

So, before I can't read properly and now I'm stalker/creeper, good one.

You tell the dev you're using a "tool" and want replays deleted, but you now say it is a bug. Why not tell dev it's bug? Screenshot after deleting leaderboard is great timing too.
You know, you would have second highest score on Exp leaderboard if you were on it, it's so high. Only after someone with over 25000 (lol), second one has over 8500. And you with almost 10000! Very impressive for so little time in game.

Anyway, I'm out of proof, even if I think it more than enough. There's no other way to show if someone cheated that game besides timestamp.
Take care




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'Mexy' says

Super MNC has average 100% of 12 hours. I have 30. People finish it in 2 days, lol.



This doesn't mean anything, why don't you show us proofs like in-game stats or something?

So basically, you can judge everyone but people can't judge you right?

And yes you don't have any proofs at all, you are just attacking me for the sake of doing it.
And now you are running away after people found dirt on you in less than 5 minutes, this is just pathetic.
Also, don't keep your steam profile hidden.
I'm glad you are leaving, goodbye.
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lol?

I'm on leaderboards, unlike you in the game topic is about, and admin can check for himself.

If you want to make a topic, go ahead, good luck finding anything.

But yeah, ignore all questions and anything that may make you look bad, you did it this whole thread.

"No leaderboards" = "play offline, no internet all week" (but get over 20 achievements same day)
"But not same timestamps" = "they easy to get" (so you do play online lol, only specific levels no)
"post in game stats" = "only after magically appear on leaderboards" (why not before when banned other place, who knows)
"dev says he delete your leaderboard after you say you use tool" = "leaderboard bug" (not tool? change idea?)
"highest score of anyone by over 1000, except person with three times highest second score" = "silence"
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I think tethering is a pretty good explanation for intermittent internet access.
It is not the type of explanation someone comes up with out of the blue to cover up a lie.
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Ok guess what, I'm done talking with angry little kids who type "lol" everytime.

I gave proofs of being an honest player, it wasn't easy but I did.
All my friends know that I'm legit, I've been around for 7 years.

You stalked me for days and you still don't have anything strong on your hands, but you still feel entitled enough to keep on judging people you don't even know.

It's pretty much the same as when I go play counterstrike or any other game and people call me hacker just because I do better than them. It's exactly the same.

But hey, haters gonna hate.
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Gonna lock this topic now, since it is not very constructive any more. Case closed.
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