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Forums -> Site related -> Suggestions -> Remaining/Unobtained Achievement list [Implemented]
Topic: Remaining/Unobtained Achievement list [Implemented]
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I'm wondering how easy it would be to implement a list containing your remaining/unobtained achievements? The list structure could be similar to the "My Achievements" list, and would be good to show a few different things:

- What achievements you're still needing to earn
- What high or low (or hard/easy) value achievements you can still earn

Thoughts?
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This is on my list of things to do, and very high on it also.

The problem here is actually that I have yet to come up with a method that would not obliterate the servers performance.

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3 thoughts about it:

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Awesome idea, as long as I can exclude and include achievements in this list because of broken achievements stuffing the list and making it useless.

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Could become a problem with Newgrounds since there are hundreds of achievements out there, where no one really knows if they work or not and are just questionable to call them unobtainable. There is too much luck involved in the achievements to properly test them.

Example:

http://metagamerscore.com/achievement/400323?user=3639
This achievement needs a very specific combination of obstacles during the dash mode which is rare. Only 7 people achieved it since the release (September 28th 2012!).

http://metagamerscore.com/achievement/401373
Getting 4 cars in an accurate row right next to each other is sth. I try since July 19th 2012. It just didn't happen and the last one unlocking it was at November 14th 2015 nearly 1 and a half year after the second to last one in August 22nd 2014. It is just not possible to test this achievement.

3)
RetroAchievements could also become a problem. Most achievement sets are created with a [u] Rom (American version). But even those have sometimes different versions. It is maybe possible to for example in Ninja Gaiden 3 to beat the first two phases of the last boss without getting hit and obtaining the achievement, but beating the third phase of it doesn't unlock the respective achievement. Trying to figure out the correct version of the game is impossible. Even with the same CRC it sometimes just doesn't want to work in the intended way because one of the games values is different for an unknown reason. The whole system is unstable.

Example:

Secret of Mana
http://metagamerscore.com/achievement/281599?user=3639
Some said that the Tropicallo achievement didn't work after sleeping in an INN with the correct version of the game because the developer of the set didn't test it properly. It didn't work for me with a correct version and I had to obtain a [b] Bad Dump version for it. But without this lucky moment it would continue to exist in the list and is still not unobtainable.
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I've been meaning to respond for a wee while, but keep forgetting. Great to hear it's a high priority!


'Syrreal' says

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Awesome idea, as long as I can exclude and include achievements in this list because of broken achievements stuffing the list and making it useless.




I don't think this should be a problem if people are flagging achievements as broken/unobtainable (which I try to do fairly regularly, and I see you do as well). This should mean that all the achievements, at that point in time at least, should be obtainable.



'Syrreal' says

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Could become a problem with Newgrounds since there are hundreds of achievements out there, where no one really knows if they work or not and are just questionable to call them unobtainable. There is too much luck involved in the achievements to properly test them.

Example:

http://metagamerscore.com/achievement/400323?user=3639
This achievement needs a very specific combination of obstacles during the dash mode which is rare. Only 7 people achieved it since the release (September 28th 2012!).

http://metagamerscore.com/achievement/401373
Getting 4 cars in an accurate row right next to each other is sth. I try since July 19th 2012. It just didn't happen and the last one unlocking it was at November 14th 2015 nearly 1 and a half year after the second to last one in August 22nd 2014. It is just not possible to test this achievement.




I think it would be alright to have these included until they can be proven unobtainable or otherwise. Yeah some of them are incredibly rare, and need the RNG gods to shine down on you, but should remain 'earnable' for now. What do you guys think?



'Syrreal' says

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RetroAchievements could also become a problem. Most achievement sets are created with a [u] Rom (American version). But even those have sometimes different versions. It is maybe possible to for example in Ninja Gaiden 3 to beat the first two phases of the last boss without getting hit and obtaining the achievement, but beating the third phase of it doesn't unlock the respective achievement. Trying to figure out the correct version of the game is impossible. Even with the same CRC it sometimes just doesn't want to work in the intended way because one of the games values is different for an unknown reason. The whole system is unstable.

Example:

Secret of Mana
http://metagamerscore.com/achievement/281599?user=3639
Some said that the Tropicallo achievement didn't work after sleeping in an INN with the correct version of the game because the developer of the set didn't test it properly. It didn't work for me with a correct version and I had to obtain a [b] Bad Dump version for it. But without this lucky moment it would continue to exist in the list and is still not unobtainable.




This is a bit of a different one, but maybe if we can add comments to certain ones as to which version of ROM to use (like the developers occasionally do on RA), I think that would be helpful.
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The first version of the "remaining achievements" feature is almost completed.
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Amazing news!
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I have now deployed version 2 of this feature. It can be found under "My Progress -> Unearned Achievements".

My plan is to do a version 3 which has "filter platforms", and looks slightly nicer. ... And then possibly a version 4 in case you guys have any feedback I want to adress.
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That's excellent thank you, will definitely be used heavily by myself! I think once the platform filter is in, it should be perfect, can't think of anything else that should be added to it.

EDIT: It's working great, just wondering if you'd be able to add a second filter in the background (not visible/adjustable by us)? I've noticed with not only this (other lists as well) that when you sort by points, and a number of them have the same value, they can reappear on following pages. I think if you were able to maybe do something like add a secondary sort alphabetical or something like that it would fix it?
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'Krazitrain' says

That's excellent thank you, will definitely be used heavily by myself! I think once the platform filter is in, it should be perfect, can't think of anything else that should be added to it.

EDIT: It's working great, just wondering if you'd be able to add a second filter in the background (not visible/adjustable by us)? I've noticed with not only this (other lists as well) that when you sort by points, and a number of them have the same value, they can reappear on following pages. I think if you were able to maybe do something like add a secondary sort alphabetical or something like that it would fix it?




You're right - currently order is random if the first sort method matches equal - for any list. I'll add the secondary sort criteria to make it deterministic.
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Sounds good, great to be part of a website where ideas are actually valued/implemented :)
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'primal_r' says

You're right - currently order is random if the first sort method matches equal - for any list. I'll add the secondary sort criteria to make it deterministic.




Has this been done now? Just had a look at Unearned achievements, and they appeared to be in points > alphabetical order?
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Thank you for adding this feature -- I love it!

One feature request: can you add a filter option to only show "In progress" games (in the same sense as the tab of the same name on the "My Games" page)?
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'Krazitrain' says


'primal_r' says

You're right - currently order is random if the first sort method matches equal - for any list. I'll add the secondary sort criteria to make it deterministic.




Has this been done now? Just had a look at Unearned achievements, and they appeared to be in points > alphabetical order?




Well, hopefully it's done. I've added it and checked so it doesn't break stuff - but I haven't really checked if it solved the problem fully in all cases - that's why I didn't write anything about it yet.



'Thailyn' says

Thank you for adding this feature -- I love it!

One feature request: can you add a filter option to only show "In progress" games (in the same sense as the tab of the same name on the "My Games" page)?




Thanks! .. Yes, I can add that - it makes sense.
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Great news, thanks heaps!
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"Hide unstarted games" added. (i.e. in progress) . Figured it was a bit more clear wording here.
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Fantastic! Thank you!

Minor quibble I just noticed: if I view the unearned achievements for another user (with a sufficiently long user name) the text by the filter ("This page shows achievements USER have yet to earn in games USER own") becomes too wide and pushes the title filter text box to the next line (which pushes other UI elements around). Also, that quoted text should be "This page shows achievements USER has yet to earn in games USER owns" when viewing other users' pages (fixing grammar).
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'Thailyn' says

Fantastic! Thank you!

Minor quibble I just noticed: if I view the unearned achievements for another user (with a sufficiently long user name) the text by the filter ("This page shows achievements USER have yet to earn in games USER own") becomes too wide and pushes the title filter text box to the next line (which pushes other UI elements around). Also, that quoted text should be "This page shows achievements USER has yet to earn in games USER owns" when viewing other users' pages (fixing grammar).




Thanks for letting me know - I have now fixed those two things.
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